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Adjustable vs. Topper

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15 May 2019 13:03 #1 by HaDov
Adjustable vs. Topper was created by HaDov
Hi there,

As you may have seen on another topic, I'm looking at latex mattresses and trying to get the right feel. So far the advice I'm getting is that 3" soft/medium talalay over 3" medium dunlop over 3" firm dunlop would be a good fit. Unfortunately, I'm a little anxious about going the full DIY route, as I've already sunk a fair bit of money into my search and I really want a solid trial/return policy.

That leaves me with two major options: an adjustable/customizable sleep system (like the Sleep EZ Lifetime Dreams) or a thinner sewn-shut mattress (like the Sleep EZ Roma) with a topper. The latter, of course, is cheaper.

Will there be a difference in feel between:

-a stack of 3 x 3" latex slabs inside a quilted mattress cover
-a stack of 2 x 3" latex slabs inside a quilted mattress cover, plus a 3" topper

And if so, how noticeable can I expect the difference to be?

Thanks,
Noah

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15 May 2019 15:53 #2 by Sleep EZ
Replied by Sleep EZ on topic Adjustable vs. Topper
Hi Noah! I did see your post on the Latex Mattress Factory thread, and I absolutely agree with their recommendation for 3” medium Talalay over 3” of medium Dunlop over 3” of firm Dunlop. To answer your question, there is a noticeable difference between a 10” mattress and a 7” mattress with 3” topper. Having a top layer that is not encased with the rest of the mattress will allow that top layer enough spatial freedom to flex upwards when you lay on it, making for a very plush and enveloping feel. This is what I recommend to customers that are used to pillow top mattresses, memory foam mattresses, or people that are looking for a softer or plusher mattress in general. Please note that there is no price difference either way, and please also note that if you start with one or the other and decide you want to change the mattress, you can do so for no charge except for the cost of shipping. For example, if you start with a 10” mattress and decide you want to change that to a 7” mattress with 3” cover for the extra plushness it offers, you can ship us your 10” cover and we’ll alter it to a 7” cover and send it back to you with a 3” 4-way stretch cover that you can use to encase the top layer of the mattress. Conversely, if you start with a 7” mattress and 3” topper and find that the mattress is too plush, you could ship us your 7” cover and we’ll alter to a 10” cover and ship it back to you. If you’re considering the Roma, I would recommend starting with just the mattress to see if it works for you, and if you need to add a topper later you certainly can. This way, you won’t pay more than you need to on the initial purchase.

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15 May 2019 17:56 #3 by HaDov
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Thanks so much, that's really helpful! I think I'll probably go with the topper -- I like a plush feel and having some flexibility is appealing.

Would there be a noticeable difference between using a 3" topper on the Roma and using a 3" topper on a 7" adjustable mattress?

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16 May 2019 16:54 #4 by Sleep EZ
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Hi again HavDov,

I know we discussed all of this earlier via chat, but I'd like to answer this question for other readers on the forum. There will be a noticeable difference between the two mattresses, namely the Roma with a 2" or 3" topper will be especially soft, and would be far too soft for someone at 225 lbs (not that that's particularly heavy, it's just that the Roma would be super soft if you put a topper on it).

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16 May 2019 20:44 #5 by pix530
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As the forum rules were changed, so I cant post a new topic, I can try to ask my question here.

1. Thanks Phoenix and this forum, I made great decision to buy our king latex mattress. Its great. Have no complains.
2. Unfortunately, now I need to do something with my existing needs again. Budget is very limited. 170lbs, 5'10" stomach/back sleeper/prefer soft/medium.
3. I bought ikea morgedal foam mattress in firm.

My options now are:
1. Buy latex topper. Prefer Talalay. I can find 14 ILD in 1", 1.5", 2", 2.5" and 3"
Or 19 ILD. I would guess 1.5" in super soft would work? $200 only.

2. If experts would tell me that my Ikea foam is not great as foundation? then I need to buy 6" medium firm Dunlop + 2-3" supersoft Talalay.
LatexGreen Canada can sell 6" 30-34 ILD for $778 + I can buy 3" supersoft for $369
Prices in CAD.

Difference between option 1 and 2 are $500 vs $1400 (plus I need cover). Money is a factor now for me...

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17 May 2019 14:23 - 17 May 2019 14:24 #6 by Sleep EZ
Replied by Sleep EZ on topic Adjustable vs. Topper
Thank you for the inquiry and I’ll be happy to help! We have plenty of customers that order a firm and less expensive mattress and place either a 2” or 3” Talalay topper on it, and this provides the plushness and feel of a $2,000 mattress. I cannot attest specifically to the longevity of the Ikea mattress you have now, but according to the Ikea website, the mattress is made of the following:

Ticking: 64 % cotton, 36 % polyester
Ticking: 50 % polyester, 50 % viscose/rayon
Ticking: 64 % polyester, 36 % cotton
Comforter filling/ Part 3: Polyester/viscose (rayon) fiber wadding
Lining/ Part 04: Non-woven polypropylene
Part 05: High-resilience polyurethane foam (cold foam) 2.2 lb/cu.ft.
Part 06: Polyurethane foam 1.7 lb/cu.ft.

As such, this mattress may last anywhere from a couple of years to over 5 years, and I can’t say in advance which will be the case for you. With all that said, I think it would be a great idea to get a 2” or 3” Talalay topper to put on the mattress you have now. If you try this and it doesn’t work for you, you could always get two more latex layers and integrate the Talalay layer into a DIY all-latex mattress. Once you get three different latex layers within a zippered removable cover, you would have the option to unzip the cover and rearrange the layers to make it firmer, or you could replace a layer if you decide it needs to be softer.

Please keep the following in mind when choosing a thickness for your topper: A 2” topper will make a noticeable difference but, depending on how much you want to change the feel of your mattress, may still leave something to be desired. The 3” topper will change the feel of your mattress the most, and if that’s the change that you’re looking for then this would be the best bet. The best way to summarize it would be to say that a 2” topper will make the mattress feel moderately softer and the 3” topper will make the mattress feel much softer.

Both the thickness and the density make a difference when choosing a topper. Ultimately, how you make your decision will depend on the following: how firm your mattress is now; how much softer you want your mattress to be; your height, body weight, and sleeping preference (For example, if you weigh more than about 250 lbs I would recommend a medium topper; if you weighed more than 250 lbs and bought a soft topper, you would likely bottom out and sink right through the topper to the firm mattress that you’re trying to move away from). Based on the information you’ve provided, either a super-soft or soft Talalay topper would be just fine. Between the two firmnesses, I’d recommend the soft over the super soft and this is for a few reasons. Super soft toppers tend to break down sooner than normal, and that topper may last only a couple of years. Additionally, the super soft topper may be too soft for a stomach sleeper, so it may lead to lower back aches for the nights when you sleep on your stomach.

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20 May 2019 07:37 #7 by HaDov
Replied by HaDov on topic Adjustable vs. Topper
Happy to report that this weekend I ordered my new 7” Lifetime Dreams mattress (3” medium dunlop over 3” firm dunlop) and 3” topper ( 3” medium talalay). I’m excited for it to get here. Thanks so much for your help and advice!

-Noah

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20 May 2019 18:01 #8 by Sleep EZ
Replied by Sleep EZ on topic Adjustable vs. Topper
Hi Noah,

Thank you so much for the order! Well I'm certainly glad I was able to help you make an informed decision. If you get the mattress and need to make any comfort adjustments, or if there's anything I can help you with please don't hesitate to contact us. Additionally, the mattress you're getting typically lasts 20 years, so if there's anything we can do for you in the next 20 years please just let us know!

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