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In reading the extensive materials and guides on this website, you will quickly come to realize that much of the "great advice" you will hear from so many "well-intentioned" but poorly trained salespeople is usually not so great and that the mattress you are considering and the "marketing story" or endorsement that is attached to it may not be as accurate or truthful as you are being led to believe. The best part is that any question in our mattress forum (or any other post that is relevant to mattresses) will not only give you free subscription in The Mattress Underground but will help you sort through the mass of poor quality mattress information that has become the norm for the industry. The discount you will receive from some of the highest quality and value mattress manufacturers in North America is, of course, an added bonus.

In addition to the resources available on this site, our mattress forum offers personal guidance about your situation and an "analysis" of any mattress you may be considering. We will help find the best local manufacturers and retail outlets in your area and if you choose to purchase from one of our trusted members, you will also receive the additional purchase discount simply by letting them know you are a member of The Mattress Underground or providing the discount code listed on the Mattress Trusted Members ~ listing directory. With the help of the resources on this website and the personal guidance from our forum moderators and experts, you will quickly learn how to separate "stories" from fact. Most important of all, you will be able to find the manufacturers and retail outlets who will give you information you can trust to be accurate and helpful ... outlets that care more about helping you buy a great mattress than they do about "making the sale" or putting profit and commission above your long term satisfaction.

As you can read in the different sections of this website, our hundreds of hours of research and conversations with mattress manufacturers and retail outlets have already done the homework for anyone who is looking for a mattress. This has also included extensive and ongoing research into the different mattress materials and construction methods since of course the actual materials in a mattress and its construction quality are far more important than the brand name that is attached to it. Not only does our list include almost every mattress manufacturer in North America and some of the best retail outlets from across the country, but we have also developed a working relationship with some of the best of these. The goal of all of this is, of course, to help you find "your perfect mattress" that includes quality materials at a price that is well within any budget you may have.

As you will read in other areas of this website, one of the most amazing discoveries we made in our mattress research was how many of these quality local and regional manufacturers there were. It would be fair to say it is one of the most valuable "hidden secrets" of the mattress industry. Over this same period of time, as our information and database grew, we helped many people connect with these manufacturers by providing them with specific information about the best mattress for their situation and preferences, and with information about the best places to buy them in their area. We also discovered that most people who buy mattresses are more often than not still buying major brands from larger more "well known" outlets and national chain stores. Even at their best sale prices, these mattresses were costing them substantially more than the regular everyday prices of these local and regional manufacturers. Unfortunately, these more expensive mattresses were also made of much lower quality materials that would not last nearly as long but this lower quality was being "covered up" by the advertising, marketing practices, stories, and endorsements that have replaced real consumer education as the main source of mattress information.

Even more amazing was that most people didn't even know that these local manufacturers ... including those in the same city where they lived ... even existed. It was clear that most consumers had "bought the stories" from the major manufacturers and retail outlets that "name brands" were better mattresses and that "off brands" were somehow a lesser choice. This, of course, is another part of the story that allows larger manufacturers to dominate the market by misleading consumers and one of the many methods they use to discourage comparative shopping and meaningful research into the materials that are in their mattresses. Even the most basic research into the materials used by these major mattress manufacturers and into consumer reviews that are readily available everywhere made clear that these "stories" were just that ... stories meant to sell lower quality mattresses at higher prices ... using some rather misleading and deceptive marketing practices. It's no wonder that the reputation of the mattress industry, in general, has declined and that mattress shopping has become one of the most difficult and frustrating of all consumer purchases.

As I was able to help more and more people re-discover these local and regional brands, buy a better, more suitable mattress, an save a great deal of money along the way, it became clear that a site that would make this information more widely available and share with people the results of my research and conversations could help many thousands of people. As I talked with several manufacturers about the idea, I discovered that many of them were already well aware of the help I had given people in other forums. Many of these, ... and in particular the ones that were owned and run by "mattress people" ... were highly supportive. These manufacturers don't need "mattress sales" as their regular prices are already better than the best "sale prices" at larger more visible outlets and the mattresses they sell are much higher quality. They encourage comparative shopping and knowledge about materials because they know that the value they are offering is far superior to more highly advertised outlets and brands. In spite of not needing sales or discounts to sell their mattresses, every one of them that has become a trusted member of The Mattress Underground has agreed to give our forum subscribers an additional discount (equal or higher than anywhere on the Internet or on their own site) or a bonus to go with their mattress purchase. This discount is on top of prices that are already better than anything a consumer will find in the major brands.

There are few consumer purchases as important as the mattress you buy. Not only will you be spending many hours every night sleeping on it, but the quality of your sleep can affect every other area of your life. We can help to take the "pain" and frustration out of mattress shopping, connect you with brands and outlets you can trust, and help you find the quality and value that so many people sadly never find.

All of this can begin with a single question. If you are looking for "your perfect mattress", then we hope to see you in our Mattress Forum!

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alienpsychomom replied the topic: #2 29 Oct 2011 05:51
I'm looking for a Sealy mattress. All the different names are confusing. Difference in ultra and plush?
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Phoenix replied the topic: #3 29 Oct 2011 14:16
Hi alienpsychomom,

I'd recommend reading this before continuing your search ... especially #1 and #4.

While it may vary from model to model ... ultra plush would normally mean that it has more cheap soft polyfoam than a plush model in the same line. In other words ... more polyfoam waiting to break down and form soft spots in your mattress and body impressions.

The most important part of testing a mattress is pressure relief and spinal alignment.

Definitions like this are rather meaningless because they don't tell you how pressure relieving (for you) the comfort layer is or how well the support layers keep you in alignment which depends more on the type of materials used and how your own body weight and shape and sleeping positions interacts with a mattress. FWIW though ... here's Sealy's definition from their website.

Ultra Plush–a very soft-feeling surface.
Plush–firmer than the ultra plush, but less firm than cushion firm.
Cushion Firm–firmer than an ultra plush, but softer than firm.
Firm–the hardest of the comfort levels.

Notsean99 replied the topic: #4 24 May 2012 14:49
Thank you for this excellent service. You give great advice, and it's obvious to me, everyone has different needs. The forums have great info, as well as your articles. This has been helping my search for "the perfect mattress" at the best value immensely.
allnaturallatex replied the topic: #5 16 Feb 2013 23:28
Hi I've been reading your well informed posts and am hoping you're able help me get closer to purchasing a mattress. I live in Massachusetts and am a 220 lb, 5'2 woman with fibromyalgia, spinal radiculopathy, and arthritis. I'm working on my weight issue but in the meanwhile I have been sleeping on a 25 year old mattress (I know your shaking your head) and waking up to hard to move bone aching sore. My research of two months is pointing to all natural latex possibly may be a good fit but unable to find a store or outlet that has all natural talalay as well as dunlop to make a final conclusion. Could you direct me at all in this area? I understand that Latex International in CT produces the Talalay in this region (sounds close enough), but the online stores and organic stores in the area are telling me that Latex International have been difficult to work with (receiving shipments, increased costs) and the locals are only selling dunlop latex, to the point I am wary when one says they carry Talalay, and wonder if it truly is all natural Talalay or in reality it's Dunlop. Also what would you recommend how deep a mattress would be best for my size, 8",9",10"-,13" etc., and what would you recommend the breakdown be in ILD? Would you recommend three layers or two?
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Phoenix replied the topic: #6 17 Feb 2013 01:32
Hi allnaturallatex,

You certainly have some difficult challenges to deal with but if you can connect with a good local manufacturer or retailer that carries what you want your odds will be very good of finding a mattress (or having one made) that will fit all your needs and preferences.

There are some great choices available in Massachusetts depending on where you live. Normally I need a specific city or zip code but it just so happens that post #2 here has links to all the lists that are likely to be close to you. While I don't know what type of latex each one carries ... it would surprise me if at least some of them didn't carry the version of latex you prefer.

Also what would you recommend how deep a mattress would be best for my size, 8",9",10"-,13" etc., and what would you recommend the breakdown be in ILD? Would you recommend three layers or two?

There are too many variables and individual preferences involved to use a formula to try to design a mattress based on height/weight, sleeping position, or even health information that would be "best" for you out of all the thousands of possibilities that are available in the market. There is some fairly detailed but generic information in the mattress section of the site that will give you some insights into the theory behind mattress layering and design for different body types and sleeping styles but these are not specific to any individual person. Each different design and combination of materials can lead to a different answer ... especially when your own unique needs and preferences and challenges may be very different from the norm or any "averages".

I would strongly suggest avoiding the temptation of trying to design your own mattress ahead of time based on specs (either yours or a mattress) and instead work closely with the retailers and manufacturers that are of interest to you and use careful testing and feedback from your own body along with the expertise each of them has about their own mattresses to help you make your best choices. Your body doesn't understand specs ... only what I call PPP (Pressure relief, Posture and alignment, and Personal preferences). The quality specs are important to know (so you can assess the quality, value, and durability of a mattress) but "comfort specs" are best left to the people who design and build the mattress when you are testing mattresses in person. Because of the many differences in design and different possible combinations of materials that may work equally well for you ... you may even find that each manufacturer has a different suggestion for you. Post #8 here from earlier today may be helpful here as well.

Most people would be fine with a mattress in the range of 8" to 9" but post #14 here talks about some of the potential benefits of a thicker mattress.

While you've probably already read this ... just in case you haven't post #1 here and the information it links to is perhaps the most important post in the forum when you are starting in your search.

A couple of other posts that may be of interest in your circumstances are post #6 here about the different types of latex along with post #2 here about safe, natural, green, and organic which may also be of interest.


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